so the anti-datacenter hysteria is basically just science illiteracy

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Piteå Bern, Bern 08/25/26 (Tue) 13:02:28 No. 295223 [PM]

so the anti-datacenter hysteria is basically just science illiteracy

homo vampiricus Meppel, Drenthe 08/25/26 (Tue) 13:12:39 No. 295229 [PM]

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Nah, thats a lie. Though, the data centers use a lot of water but not as much as to drain seas. Activists turn attention to the environmental problems of them because it is easier to rally people. But data centers destroy local communities, with the current AI push. Main problem with datacenters is no gain at all for people who have to live nearby, it creates no jobs, all it does is draw clean drinking water and use so much electricity, that it increases electricity prices for everyone in the locality. There is no hysteria, the problem is really pressing to stop them building the centers at this speed

East Turkestan RadBev Chinpo Budapest, Budapest 08/25/26 (Tue) 13:28:18 No. 295240 [PM]

Current buildout is still fucking retarded. It just relies on the assumption the govt will bail out all the failed ventures, not real demand

Piteå Bern, Bern 08/25/26 (Tue) 14:25:33 No. 295250 [PM]

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>>295229
but building and maintaining them is lots of jobs, for now at least

+ all the jobs for manufacturing the components, tho most them in ur asia

homo vampiricus Meppel, Drenthe 08/26/26 (Wed) 01:46:43 No. 295374 [PM]

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>>295250
Nah, after theyve been built, job creation is minimal. Most datacenters are almost humanless, maybe you get a single guard and one overseer, but no more than that. Benefit for the community is only negative, there is also secrecy rules, so even if there some few job oppenings, not every one can qualify in deep country. (Even on the stage of building, mostly migrant labour will be used in construction. There is very little gain in jobs to the local community)

Lolitsradan 08/26/26 (Wed) 04:16:17 No. 295379 [PM]

You are without a doubt the stupidest brain dead failed trannie on this board.

Piteå Bern, Bern 08/26/26 (Wed) 13:22:22 No. 295422 [PM]

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>>295374
they pay taxes, from profits, from land, from electricity (yes there's some sketchy cases where they don't pay taxes, and even have electricity subsidised. but those r the exception)
ofc local contractors r used for most of the building. whether those contractors have hired some migrant workers (not really thing in the west in same way it's in russia or china) or watever is other question, but even in that case those migrant workers would pay taxes and bring money into the community while living there
buildings require maintenance, there's no 24/7 overseer, but periodically technical department comes by to check everything's in order. if not it's again local contractors fixing it

it seems ur working backwards again, from the conclusion that datacenters aren't just net negative thing but in every conceivable way negative. ok as intellectual exercise but it's not real

Piteå Bern, Bern 08/26/26 (Wed) 13:23:29 No. 295423 [PM]

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>>295379
ai = good

AsianWomenWorshipper Maida Vale, City of Westminster 08/26/26 (Wed) 13:26:02 No. 295424 [PM]

>>295423

Piteå Berlin, Land Berlin 08/26/26 (Wed) 13:27:17 No. 295425 [PM]

Yup.

Eyes of the Night Moscow, Moscow 08/26/26 (Wed) 21:22:23 No. 295519 [PM]

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To me, the very ability to build massive infrastructure like that is a sign of oppression, like hello, isn't there somebody you forgot to ask?
Also I have a bit of an issue with how much power that shite consumes
Other than that, sticking it somewhere in the desert or underwater even doesn't feel wrong to me

homo vampiricus Meppel, Drenthe 08/27/26 (Thu) 02:32:10 No. 295539 [PM]

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>>295422
I mean, taxes hardly help local people. Its not like local people get direct handouts or some thing, I fail to see how taxes really improve local lives

But dunno. If dat is wat you believe I said, so be it. I dont understand why you feel dat you should take me by neck like a cat like dat

homo vampiricus Meppel, Drenthe 08/27/26 (Thu) 03:34:07 No. 295540 [PM]

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>>295422
Dunno, you keep saying this working backwards but it is hard to know wat do you even mean and why is dat important. Dataceners are not in all conceivable way bad, I didnt say dat, neither wanted to imply, why do you feel like you can just decide for me wat I meant to say? Is having a little argument not an intellectual exercise always or wat, like, come on you dont need to be like dat to me if I irritate you

It is quite clear that data centers are very negative to the local people, and while there are positives, they are neglible. You dont disagree. There is no arguing. Why do you think dat your details must be more correct or more important is unclear if we both agree on the base argument, maybe we dont agree about the degree, but I wouldnt argue about dat

Piteå Berlin, Land Berlin 08/27/26 (Thu) 04:47:14 No. 295542 [PM]

Exactly

Piteå Bern, Bern 08/27/26 (Thu) 08:24:18 No. 295550 [PM]

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>>295539
>>295540
depends on corruption but usually in west when community gets extra money u see it in better infrastructure, new buildings, more bus etc routes, more and better services. it's no joke. even if lot of ppl r also taking big cuts from it

well when u have some black-white conclusion or view, i assume it was some intellectual exercise for u. like in debate club they give u side to champion and argue for. i thought that's wat u do sometimes. anyway sorry if it was offensive

the positives aren't negligible at all, that part i do disagree w/, bc it's just not true. whether overall they're net positive or negative thing is different question. and, i know i'm at some vague middle ground, tho leaning on positive, while ur at either extreme. and middle ground just isn't useful or interesting. there's more value in some black and white stance, since it forces some action or direction of action

homo vampiricus Meppel, Drenthe 08/27/26 (Thu) 09:19:30 No. 295552 [PM]

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>>295550
Even my town sees development and grows. Dunno why you underline about the west, it is in every country like dat. More taxes more public works, dat is not wat I meant, if people have data center nearby, it increases strain on the electric grid and public utilities. So, the tax gain might be neglibile. In countries like America, (most data centers are in America), if you dont have a job you cant live. You have to be employed, data centers bring neglible employment opportunities, maximum wat they provide for common folk is gig work and dat is nowhere near normal job contract. So, data centers increase prices of utilities and make the place unattractive to live in. This creates pressures for the residents to move out, land becomes cheap, and then communities are driven to extinction

There is no black and white, this is just having a stance. It is not like I cannot argue, I can, and I always do. It is incorrect to say dat I hold extreme views, they are radical, but they are articulated. If you believe dat data centers bring positive changes, I dont have problem with dat. Sure, argue for dat if you can, I can imagine how you would. That is literally the point of thesis anthethesis synthethis, there is no thing special about taking things to logical ends and use hypetboles. All humans do tend to fall in the middle, thats true, but it doesnt just fall by its own like dat, it is only after we argue for it that we come to realization that we both speak some thing that might be true at the same time. There is no pretense for me to any truth, I only argue for wat I want to say because there is no better tool, there simply no alternative. Debate clubs arent necessarily bad, they are good for many purposes, but dat is just not wat I do. I try to explain my position by argumentation, but there is no illusion that all I say is just an opinion and a statement at the end of the day. Arguing is just the most useful thing for me, its just organic with rhetoric

Piteå Bern, Bern 08/27/26 (Thu) 11:50:56 No. 295565 [PM]

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>>295552
bc assumed maybe it's not like that in russia since u seemed to find it such a foreign concept. they pay for electricity too, part of which goes to improving dat infrastructure to properly meet the demand. the tax gain might be negligible depends entirely on location and how things r done @ dat place. but generally no. municipalities r fighting to get datacenters not bc they were bribed but bc it's genuinely beneficial for them
yes most of the employment opportunities r during construction, but there's nothing negligible about that either
gig work means food delivery and ride-sharing etc

>make the place unattractive to live in
that's from noise and if it's corrupt place them dumping toxic shit in ground. yes i don't think u should build them in residential neighbourhoods, but otherwise there's no big issue. what's actually negligible is ppl moving out bc of datacenter in their municipality

i didn't say ur not arguing or articulating. u are. i just questioned the causality of wat came first
disliking ai as some anti-human thing i get. but the anti-datacenter shtick is just weird bc it didn't really exist b4 ai. ofc there was few times less of them but the same arguments should still apply. i think lot of ppl r just afraid of losing their jobs so they become emotional about whole load of related topics. not u, u just dislike anti-human aspects of all technology. u maybe would have had same views on datacenters 10 years ago, but most of the antis wouldn't

homo vampiricus Meppel, Drenthe 08/27/26 (Thu) 12:23:25 No. 295570 [PM]

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>>295565
People do not see improvements, they see rocketing electricity prices. Municipalities not exactly fight for them, they are lobbied, and its not like municipalities wont benefit from increasing tax base. Its just people hardly benefit, but bureaucracy, sure, it benefits (I used gig work correctly)

So, I dunno wat is the purpose of your operation here. You recognize problems and yet they somehow escape. We dont really disagree, but you have yet to argue for positive side of data centers. You said dat municipality benefits. Sure. Just like municipality would benefit if it had Auschwitz that paid taxes. Sound ridiculous, right? Because it is

Bro, of course it didnt exist before LLM. Dat is exactly the problem, the speed is too much, now it invades deep country and bougie places. Of course you get huge backlash for this. Not only that, this datacenter push is very undemocratic and people fight to stop them

So, basically, you call me irrational here. You are proven incorrect. I hate technology with burning passion and personally would shoot robot wirebacks coggers roboslaves and their cogsucking bolteaters right to their CPU. But my argument against data centers is dat they are forced at way too quick speed that it creates obvious excesses and invades and then displaces communities. In reality, no datacenter must displace communities. Now they do. Wont you agree that it is bad? If so, then, we are not in disagreement at all. Its not like Im against all data center. Im against all technology, and by consequence of data center, but in this argument, Im not really against data center in its totality. Hope you understand that there, perhaps, been an misunderstanding

Piteå 08/27/26 (Thu) 17:45:45 No. 295645 [PM]

and the heat goes into black hole?

if that random screenshot with a random claim is true, it only shows people are morons that can be talked into anything

Piteå 08/27/26 (Thu) 17:48:34 No. 295646 [PM]

will they then release the 90°C water into the river? but then i saw youre russian subhuman and i dont waste time anymore debating with broken brains

Piteå 08/27/26 (Thu) 17:51:58 No. 295647 [PM]

we have already used all the water in the world 10 times over and all the air too, thats not the issue at all you twat ollolo
the question is would you like that water at temp or temp+10

Eyes of the Night Moscow, Moscow 08/27/26 (Thu) 18:53:05 No. 295662 [PM]

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>>295647
TBF yea even if some energy miracle was achieved and humanity would get massive amounts of cheap energy (like with fusion or whatever else) then there would still be balance to achieve about heat dissipation, like hi-energy areas would heat up noticeably and basically you can't win the infinite scale game, you'd have to stop at some point.
Thinking low environmental impact green energy is the way to go precisely because it would never reach the same amount of energy density, especially if one restricts the scaling of that as well.
Also honestly the environmental/biodiversity degradation is noticeable even within my lifetime, like I remember areas more vibrant with life than they are now and it is mostly human activity to blame (construction, industry, agriculture, transport). People also report various species just disappearing from where they are used to be etc, like kolibris, fireflies etc. It's just sad, TS is not fixable without some new tech and social organization ._.

Piteå 08/27/26 (Thu) 19:07:03 No. 295666 [PM]

>>295662
>everything is pointless
ok thanks russian
ever heard of wind and solar btw?

East Turkestan RadBev Chinpo Budapest, Budapest 08/27/26 (Thu) 19:15:29 No. 295667 [PM]

>>295666
rolled his ass, satan

Eyes of the Night Moscow, Moscow 08/27/26 (Thu) 19:34:15 No. 295674 [PM]

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>>295666
It's not that I think that stuff is pointless (where did you pick that up in my post anyway?), more like there will be some clear energy density limit even with miracle tech - and in a lot of ways, it's gonna limit the progress in a way of putting a clear "impossible" tag on many projects, like IDK, perhaps highly efficient recycling would become impossible for example (chemistry to achieve be too complex and energy intensive).
>ever heard of wind and solar btw?
Their environmental impact is still significant when they are everywhere but that wasn't even the point
Also parts of that tech still require non-renewable resources, though I heard they made some decent sodium battery recently at least
I'd still probably go with something like solar/wind because they are a bit more democratic (than nuclear power which would require lots of work and expertise to establish) but they will also be more geographically restricted which kinda sucks if you are not in those areas.

Anyway the thread isn't about that even. I think you raise a valid point about massive facilities dumping heat possibly causing environmental degradation, though they could be causing it somewhere "safe" like far away from humans and all life for example (underwater facility impact would likely be negligible though it's probably possible to ruin something that way as well) - like perhaps they could launch these things into space even lol.

Piteå 09/18/26 (Fri) 13:12:55 No. 299387 [PM]

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