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  No. 277264 [PM]

were u in any gifted education programs ?

  No. 277267 [PM]

sounds like something for dummies

i think smartest people drop out from school and start a company

  No. 277269 [PM]

shut the fuck up

  No. 277270 [PM]

>>277267
more often it's dropping from uni to start company. tho regardless, unless ur truly exceptional or hardworking u'll probably fail @ such attempt. my gamedev hobby strongly impacted me not seeing any value in hs or uni. but in my case it was mistake to do it b4 learning some real work or study morale and thinking i could half ass it

  No. 277271 [PM]

>>277269
y malding ?

  No. 277272 [PM]

>>277271
I'm pretty sure the drummer just used a metal rubbish bin instead of a snare drum on this album lol :DDD

  No. 277274 [PM]

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always know aww is mad when he posts something irrelevant to pretend he's not bothered lol

  No. 277275 [PM]

"haha wat u think of these spongebob hash browns"

  No. 277276 [PM]

>>277270
university is a school morty

i just dont put formal education to very high status

if you are truly passionate you can learn anything by yourself, especially today. i think formal education will either change radically or die completely.

  No. 277277 [PM]

>>277274
>>277275
nah it's just a more interesting topic than you talking about how you were a "gifted child" in school when you're in your 30s now. Lol

  No. 277281 [PM]

>>277276
yeh don't think that's unusual or revolutionary thought, and wat i thought when i was 14

regardless irl w/o connections or wealthy parents there's not many fields that tolerate being self taught. software being one
>>277277
i wasn't tho. finlan has no such programs. at least where i lived. finlan has some no child left behind policy where even disrupting tards r in some unlucky normal classes. tho nothing extreme like down syndrome

i was curious if others had been. afaik pretty few countries have them, but usa i know at least has, so this question was foremost directed @ american posters

  No. 277285 [PM]

>>277281
do you mean the fact that formal education dies? what made you think that when you were 14? i dont think there were signs of that back then.

even with software, education is less and less important. maybe in public sector they require it, because of some outdated idea of liability. What i think matters the most when getting a job is just how well-spoken and likeable you are as a person.

  No. 277288 [PM]

>>277285
it was just me self learning being so much more meaningful and effective than any "teaching to the test" strategy available @ middle school or any other formal institutions afterwards
tho no i didn't think that that would apply to every1, even if in rational world it should
>even with software
no, not "even", i meant especially in software u don't need degree if u know ur shit. it was the exception to it generally being required in most other places
>maybe in public sector they require it
yeh read some reddit thread about some finish hotshot programmer complaining that he wasn't eligible for employment in government institutions despite blahblah
in finlan case there's virkamiesruotsi at least which it would make sense for government institution to require

  No. 277289 [PM]

>>277288
tell me your future predictions about education and work

  No. 277292 [PM]

>>277276
Pmt this

  No. 277294 [PM]

>>277289
tablet generations in west r screwed. only kids w/ parents who make them study or those w/ natural curiosity for something that happens to be useful will thrive. lot of rest of educated workforce will have to be imported from india etc

uni or etc aren't going anywhere for most ppl, nor their requirements for most jobs, but they'll offer even more remote fast track degrees for any1 capable of passing them. so yeh motivated self learner will be better off

there may be some certification systems attempting different approaches used by some random companies, but that's still minority. u'r still more likely to get iq tested trying to get box or paper pushing job than anything more advanced. maybe if there's some intrusive 'ai' surveillance state employing organ can just ask ur aptitude from it, that's the only exception i see

dunno about work, it's hard to predict, how far will the 'ai' bubble go. fewer hours and higher wages to the skilled few who'll still have job, and every1 else on minimal income, unless u own capital

urs ?

  No. 277298 [PM]

we're having a few years where uni degrees aren't worth much for employers. but imo unis will adapt

  No. 277303 [PM]

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>>277294
i dont think "cheap" workers are needed in future. automation will replace all 'simple' jobs, its already happening. like isnt being a driver of some sort the biggest job in the world? all of that will be automated. all warehouse work will be automated. all cashiers will be automated, some argue it wont happen because people prefer so much having actual person to serve them. no they dont, its bullshit. new generation doesnt care and making arguments based on what few boomers think is stupid.

what im mostly struggled about is that when simple jobs are automated, then what do you make all those people do. you cant make them do more complex tasks, because they are not fit for those.

i also think universal basic income is problematic. im not an economist, but i cant imagine price of products not scaling with that. is it meaningful life if you get free income, but all you can ever buy is basic necessities and there is no way for you to earn more, because all the jobs are just too difficult for your capability.

education will literally cease to exist. there wont be papers or titles anymore. memorization will be useless. the only valuable thing will be knowing how to ask right questions and where to find the answers. even something like learning a language will become obsolete. its pointless when you can translate in real time with better context than a person could ever have.

the ai bubble bursting is not real, at least not in a way that ai would disappear / become obsolete. the ai start ups and such will die, but the ai itself is not going anywhere. everything will be based on ai, because it will be simply more efficient and efficiency is only thing that matters.

these might be basic thoughts, but its not easy to make predictions with topic this complex. its like when we were kid, you wouldnt have thought that playing video games and talking shit will be job of many adults in the future or something like e-sports. no, video games were basically kids toys and that was it.

  No. 277341 [PM]

>>277303
dunno if first paragraph was in response to my mention of india or not but just to be sure i meant india etc for educated workforce, since most western tablet kids aren't study or work motivated enough for some advanced roles. indians have world's smallest brains, and there's lots of fraud, but there's still competent and highly motivated ones to go around

>you cant make them do more complex tasks, because they are not fit for those.
many formerly educated, intelligent and highly motivated ppl will be out of workforce too and seeking to readapt. also think u have bit cynical view on average person's capabilities. or some weirdly narrow scenario where u would be immune to ai taking ur job but 90% wouldn't, because u can ask questions or sth
also even when it can do everything manual it takes long time for manufacturing and supply chains to adapt to that demand, decade or even two. we rn still haven't developed any appendage systems for them that can approximate or match human dexterity required for most manual things, so they're (the humanoid shaped generic ones, not the factory arms) mostly doing stuff like sorting boxes and some pr stunts. hence the meme that it would eliminate white collar jobs first. tho i think that's also kinda wishful thinking on part of those ppl

>is it meaningful life if you get free income
u find meaning in some vr game or world then. if we aren't culled b4 it
>but i cant imagine price of products not scaling with that
how when on average ppl would have less expendable income under ubi than if they were employed. it just means u get 'k shaped' economy. most western countries other than usa have pretty generous unemployment systems. that didn't create runaway inflation, tho it necessitated opening borders for certain work
u'd also have fabulous excess at same time to far more than compensate for any inflation

  No. 277354 [PM]

>>277341
i just dont think there will shortage of workforce in general, if most jobs are replaced.

>also think u have bit cynical view on average person's capabilities. or some weirdly narrow scenario where u would be immune to ai taking ur job but 90% wouldn't, because u can ask questions or sth
no, thats not what im saying. my job is not complex enough either

>it takes long time for manufacturing and supply chains to adapt to that demand, decade or even two.
not really, in west it will be fast

>we rn still haven't developed any appendage systems for them that can approximate or match human dexterity required for most manual things
you only have to do it once and proof its capabilities. the pace they are developing and producing those things right now is insane. the competition and the winners prize in that race will force it into existence, sooner or later.

>u find meaning in some vr game or world then. if we aren't culled b4 it
maybe so, though i wonder if everyone can find meaning in virtual world. probably not.

>most western countries other than usa have pretty generous unemployment systems. that didn't create runaway inflation
it did have impact though, but i dont think thats comparable either. a system where everyone gets money, even on top of their earnings is completely different than some unemployment money to pay for bills and get by.

  No. 277366 [PM]

>>277354
>i just dont think there will shortage of workforce in general, if most jobs are replaced.
ur right it's more issue rn but not in future. tho depending how far 'ai' will go

>the pace they are developing and producing those things right now is insane
nothing about them is developing insanely fast, we just crossed threshold where any1 and their mum can use machine learning to make robots balance, and that's wat we've seen. hundred chinese companies making demo toy robots that can dance and walk and little else. state of art (so when unit cost is irrelevant, in case of animatronics or show pieces for example) for mobility and dexterity isn't any more advanced than it was decade ago
biggest improvement is component miniaturisation

>a system where everyone gets money, even on top of their earnings
u still get taxed based on income, which includes that ubi. so in the end it's not that different from current system in western european countries, other than more ppl receiving it, and unconditionally, so it should be less 'bureaucratic' (which is y some libertarians have hard on for it replacing current system)

  No. 277374 [PM]

>>277366
>nothing about them is developing insanely fast
if you look at the timeline, id say its been pretty fast

>mobility and dexterity isn't any more advanced than it was decade ago biggest improvement is component miniaturisation
that is simply not true at all. also humanoid robot doesnt need dexterity and mobility of an athlete. average alcoholic and overweight construction site worker doesnt have perfect dexterity and mobility either.

also i think you forget that they dont need to work exactly as humans do, you can make the work environment to better suit them, and that is also what they are already doing with warehouses and so on.

  No. 277377 [PM]

>>277374
my benchmark is janitor or fastfood or construction worker. u need to be able to handle pretty wide and unpredictable set of scenarios and tools. yeh u could make specialised ones to do x, but then ur not getting much cost reductions from economies of scale, and ur removing specific roles one by one

w/ mobility basically crouching and maybe climbing r enough, nothing athletic. the issue is much more w/ the hands

u know wat was cool? boston dynamics 15 years ago. since then we've seen mostly just some miniaturisation since u can run the locomotion neural networks locally on some graphics card

  No. 277378 [PM]

state of the art

we're getting there. but, hands

  No. 277381 [PM]

>>277377
>>277378
dont you think its impressive that we already have the humanoid robots working autonomously with AI and no script?

its basically just up to AI/software now to perfect it.

  No. 277384 [PM]

>>277354
>no, thats not what im saying. my job is not complex enough either
then i'm not sure wat tiny minority of work that only tiny minority can do that's skill instead of nepotism or wealth based u mean in ur scenario

my only hope for this kind of scenario would be 'ai' being able to own property and trade, and so outcompete the previous capitalist class. so we'd all be equal in relation to it
>>277381
yeh had seen dat and wat i was referring to w/ "mostly doing stuff like sorting boxes and some pr stunts"

it's a very low bar. all these toy companies should instead be frantically focusing on hands
this is such a simple job in fact that some specialised tool for it could even be cheaper, defeating the purpose of using humanoid robot 4 it (hence pr stunt)


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