No.232936
>>232917it’s snowed here for 5x already
No.233057
>>232947>>232951PMT this, cursed weather
RN some cold wave is coming though, from 0 to -11°C or something w
No.233063
< maybe I were wrong in hating snow
you werent
No.233070
relatable, not because of the mode really, but just by the fact that it was monday and i had to go to work
it doesnt even matter who is in charge or anything because even if there was choice of doing something its merely a illusion in a society that values works above all else
what i mean is that something isnt that much of a choice if your wealth depends on it. Or if its not wealth then its status and such things. people dont realize that even before money was invented, during the hunter-gatherer society, you didnt really have a choice, because there was invisible money called respect that you would only gain by working hard, if you didnt have it, you were considered unvaluable and burden.
so the choice of work is illusion and the mode of production is illusion as well. as long as the work is necessary evil all you can really do is pick your illusion of choice, but it is an illusion no matter what.
No.233072
>>233070>because there was invisible money called respect that you would only gain by working hardnobaldi cares about this and most certainly not the opposite sex which is what people most care about. Women rather be with homeless than ugly short bald men. You just got that slave mindset goatis talks about
No.233074
>>233072please dont tell me goatis your internet daddy now 😭
also you are literally wrong. there were no independent men during the nomadic hunter-gatherer era of finno-ugric people.
if you werent able to ride a horse and go to war and hunt animals then you would considered useless
also they didnt ask what opposite sex cared about or not. the military elite of finno-ugric people took like 15 baltic wives for them. they didnt ask for permission it was based on status.
so dont you lecture me about slave mindset, when you talk as if you thought they had lookmaxxing forums and gyms back in the day
No.233079
>>233074Nothing what you said contradicts what I said.
>also they didnt ask what opposite sex cared about or not. the military elite of finno-ugric people took like 15 baltic wives for them. they didnt ask for permission it was based on status.yes, it's a man-made power structure. But now it's gone and you don't have 15 wives either even if you are well off.
Man-made power structures didn't start when hunter-gatherer nomadic era ended.
>when you talk as if you thought they had lookmaxxing forums and gyms back in the dayThat's not what I said and that's not what goatis says either. Goatis says looks come from good food aka being rewarded as a good hunter.
>if you werent able to ride a horse and go to war and hunt animals then you would considered uselessnot really contradicting or adding anything new to the conversation but yes, correct.
>please dont tell me goatis your internet daddy now 😭>so dont you lecture me about slave mindsetI don't look for obscure religions, you do. You are trying to find your new master.
And I don't take everything as is what goatis says. He says some good stuff and says some bad stuff or deadends because he doesn't/can't offer a solution to the current state of things that would forego man-made powerstructures entirely. Power structures exist because they are powerful.
No.233084
>>233079i dont understand what you are saying then or malding over
i didnt say that man-ade powerstructures are good, i said quite the opposite
what i basically said is that we live in a society and even went as far to say its all an illusion in our minds, and somehow you took that as if i have a slave mindset?
No.233085
>>233084You say respect matters I say it doesn't and it matters less and less. It's an enslavement mechanism that most people can see through these days. You get a pat on your back from your boss "ya did good son" but if you switch jobs, you can actually get better money for your work, not just hollow words of gratitude.
People value results, not working hard and that's true for hunting as well
No.233086
>>233085thats not what i meant thought, i meant respect was currency back then. nowadays its money. i actually agree with exactly your point that respect doesnt matter today.
No.233188
>>233070IDK about that
The notion of some "respect-currency" existing relies on some kinda authority existing and the respect itself being freely convertible like money is today. It's true that "social currencies" existed in the past but it's very wrong to treat them the same way as modern money IMO.
Commenting further, of course humans have always been restricted by reality and surviving basically meant working hard lol but hunter gatherer societies are called/usually are egalitarian for a reason lol. You do have a choice of picking your frens etc. Also in those societies individuals were more autonomous than in the sedentary/agrarian ones perhaps, because you don't have to rely on others that much for the economy's sake
>so the choice of work is illusion and the mode of production is illusion as wellLet's just say huge AI datacenters are probably compeletely unnecessary to us and them existing is basically the sign of authoritarianism or something w
Industrialization is a top-down monopoly-granting jail-the-luddites type of social development, from England to every country it's been practiced in UwU
No.233191
>>233188Lol I literally just read something about this
'respect'/'not so empiric/rational authority appeal' even existed in the paleolithic/neolithic times
A shaman can land the killing blow on an animal taking huge credit for some unknown ritual reasons, while there would had been like 20+ people in the group + a few of the best hunters contributing to it's actual demise
He would kill the animal wearing a headdress too
No.233192
>>233188Basically you are wrong again. ╭∩╮( ^_____^)╭∩╮
No.233193
>>233191>>233192IDK if it contradicts my points that much or at all
It's unclear how prevalent those practices were
It doesn't state in any way that the shaman got its position through "hard work" either for example
"Respect" of course existed (probably better call it "status") but it is unclear how "institutionalized" it was and how comparable to "money" it was - like, which comes first lol, respect coming from a killing blow or just the fact he is a shaman?
Linking that read would definitely help though w
No.233194
>>233193it is in my "thicc" thread on mint spanish researchers (not @ home atm）
No.233221
H8 wen dat happens…
Rated: 5/5
No.233345
>>233070You legitimize your ideology through anachronism. This is boring.
How much do you hate Christianity if Protestant work ethic is the guiding force of all your thinking. How about we go beyond this bs morality, indeed, but we cant do dat
No, gatherers-hunters didnt have "money" in form of respect. There is no such thing as working hard in a gatherer-hunter society, you make it up to suit your narrative, you create a convenient fiction about ancient past. In gatheres-hunters societies, people did as much as they had to. Meaning, they collected food, moved around, constantly on the go. But they didnt worked hard in any sense, their lifestyle is most freeflowing and unrestrained, by anything. They had freedom from rigid schecules and quotas, you assign them those structures backwards as if it is somehow natural and decided. Nothing about "hard work" is natural.
No.233353
>>232917Eh, in Asia snow begins from September…
>>232947Eh, in Asia when snow falls it is all the same until it melts…
>>233063True. Finally, an ally in my struggle
>>233221Revolution begins when I finish reading Capital, this time for real 🫡
No.233494
>>233345since when has hard work has been protestant work ethic? did ancient mexicans have protestant work ethic when they build those pyramids?
where is your source of romanticization of this old era?? you say respect didnt matter, but all folk song is about heroes and stuff? are you for real?
No.233500
>>233353Don't take too long ommf
Rated: 2/5 No.233589
>>233494I believe dat there is no other explanation as wat is the core for your high respect for hard work other than Protestant work ethic. Your comparisons with historical people are doomed to fail because you force present morality on earlier people. Lets be honest, people who built pyramids didnt do so out of their dedication to the leaders, but because of the whip
Romanization of gatherer-hunters? Since when it is controversial to say dat gatherer-hunters are lenient. It was never controversial to say dat. Now, you perhaps forgot dat our current peoples come from agriculture based sustenance. A later mode of living. Western culture originates from agriculture based living, and this is where the work ethic starts. So, your question about folk tales is kinda wrong. So, yes, I'm for real. My disagreement with you is technical, you assign agricultural values to gatherer-hunterers, which is wrong
>>233500Ok, I admit, it might take a while
No.233606
>>233345is dis pic fetish content ?
No.233610
>>233609wel i find it weird thing to draw. like dat level of chubby must be very rare in entertainment in japan
maybe not numerically, if u just read characters' supposed measurements, but visually they almost all seem to have perfectly flat stomach
No.233611
weird thing to draw in not fetish context
No.233617
>>233610>>233611Huh… Well, I dunno. The artist is kinda a westerner so Japan isnt really apply here I guess. But yeah, Japanese beauty standards are very strict, but it is not so easy. Plump figures are not exactly a negative characteristic, somewat plump body is a symbol of wealth. Negative characteristics in Asia are conveyed by higher degrees, if someone is a gluton then dat guy has american level of overweight. So they make very clear if something is bad or not. So, nah, I dunno if it can be generalized like dat. Even though the image is joking and meant to be funny, meaning dat context for you is unavailable to understand the portrayal, I still believe dat portrayal of beauty is flexible in Asian media. Unless it is about anime in Japan, then it is all about sexual appeal and it is meant to be very sexualized, maybe dat is why you ask if it is a fetish image because anime is concerned with images very much instead of substance
No.233618
>>233617>The artist is kinda a westernerok dat explain the image much more than any other words..
>if someone is a gluton then dat guy has american level of overweightfor male maybe but for female they make the thighs and breasts fatter at most. unless they're depicting it's ugly girl too then it'll be almost different artsyle from other characters fat girl
No.233620
>>233618Nah, it is the same for male and female. Just traditionally women are depicted in a particular way, because women's body is a very sexualized object portrayal of them has different logic. Ugly women arent portrayed like the image of an ugly woman, like in a realism painting and stuff, it is instead expressed in other ways. So, if someone is fat, then they are unmistakeably fat, this is a general observation I come across. If a woman has fat thighs and big boob and big ass, even if it is exaggerated, it is still because a woman's body is a sexual object but it is not meant to show the fatness or watever, the degree of plumpness of a thigh for example is meant to show sexual appeal in every case, even in exaggeration. But in general, I guess, you would have a hard time finding ugly women depicted in anime, they are certainly not popular, this is because women is by her own meaning of existence is a beautiful object. Basically, nature is beautiful, ugliness is counter to beautiful, hence ugliness is counter to nature, and thus ugly women are contrary to nature, Asian art is concerned with portraying beauty of nature as one feels it so ugly women cannot be portrayed in a natural way
No.233622
>>233620gluttony would almost only be depicted just thru behaviour for female. if there's any visual cues, and not meant to be ugly, it's as i said
if ugly, dats y they almost switch art style or make them like background character plain, for some degree of separation, bc like u say female is supposed 2 b object of beauty
i'm thinking of all the actual examples i've seen, not some abstract philosophising or watever u r
No.233624
>>233622(Though my thought is a bit different, I try to say dat women arent portrayed as fat because its unnatural not because there is some rule to depict them as fat through other symbolic means. It is still similar though)
No.233625
>>233623appreciated but drop the combative 'nahs' then. those always put me on edge and make me take similar attitude
>>233624yeh agree but b4 that u were talking about them being depicted FAT if glutton. which i've never seen. other than when it's been unattractive background or side character where it's been made clear thru artstyle it's not really a female in the same way as females r
No.233626
well, 'nah', when u don't quote and it's then directed @ entire post basically
No.233627
>>233625It is only combative if you think so, my writing was always higly idiosyncratic and those nahs and wells and sos are empty words and not really mean anything other than style choice (which doesnt mean dat my attitude isnt combative, it is, though I think of it more as argumentative than terrorisric)
Dunno, I mean, I can definitely imagine an female anime character dat is unmistakeably fat. The same way male character would be fat. And they both would represent gluttony. But in anime reverse is popular, girls are depicted as having bottomless stomachs so this is explanation of why they dont gain weight. This is a cultural pun on the real phenomena dat women very much care about their weight and love to eat. So, yeah, frequency of being fat for women is low, because it is in reality is low. But it is different from symbolics, women tend to have less negative portrayals in general, so, yeah I they just make them unimportant instead
No.233634
>>233627it's more if it's the opening word, the premise, then any further additive infodump will seem like some arrogant pontification 2 me when not separated by paragraph or quotes or anything
>The same way male character would be fati've never seen. while i've seen plenty of fat male characters who r otherwise characters just like any other
No.233635
>>233634Ok, wat does it relate to my post and wat dat post says though? Unfair question, maybe, but maybe arrogant pontification is all I ever did any way
Well, wat can I say… they should stop with male fatness stuff and Retvrn to the Scholastic and Sensitive traditional virtue of a man of Heian era